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The Symbolic Connection Between Daniel 8’s Great He Goat and the USA!

Each of the symbols that Daniel was given through Nebuchadnezzar’s dreams and his own dreams and visions have meaning and purpose. We should be able to connect each symbol to a meaningful player during the events that are shown, whether that be historically or as the angel indicates in Daniel 8… in the “End Time”.

Many have taken the vision and dream of Daniel 8 about the Ram and the He Goat and applied it to Alexander the Great and the Grecian Empire from several Millinia ago. The Grecian Empire attacked and conquered Media and Persia and much of the known world. Alexander is known for doing it with lightning speed and hence he and Grecia is depicted as a Leopard. 

His symbol is denoted from his style of war…not necessarily as a symbol of his then existing empire. The Ram of Daniel 8 is depicted as a Ram, not after a known symbol of that nation/empire, but after its style of war. Repetitive attacks to those all around and in the vicinity of that Ram.

Daniel 8:1, In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first. 2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. 3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. 7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

What makes this interesting is the angel had to tell Daniel who will be the participants of this conflict. It was not obvious through the symbols of a Ram and a Goat. 

Daniel 8:19, And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

You would think Daniel who was one of the main rulers of Babylon at the time would have been able to figure out if this Ram was the country he lived next to…or if it was to appear in the End Time. He needed to be told the identity of the Ram and the Goat because these are not national symbols but are connected to how they conduct war and conquer their enemies. 

Daniel 8:21, And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

While Alexander of Grecia is often depicted as either wearing a leopard skin or riding a horse spotted like a Leopard indicative of the speed with which he conquered…at that time it was not his national symbol. It became associated with him due to how he conducted war against his enemies. 

The angel clarifies this prophecy of the Ram and the Goat is for the End Time. I have proposed just as the angel indicated that the Ram is End Time Media and Persia now known as Iran and the great He Goat is not Grecia of Alexander’s Day, but as the angel indicated it is a great empire composing the west known as the post World War 2 USA Empire composed of the USA, United Kingdom, NATO, and various other nations around the world.

Knowing that we may not find a national symbol of a goat connected with the USA we must wonder if there really is a connection. Many prophecy teachers have obsessed that the eagle is associated with the USA and we should look for connections between any scriptural reference to an eagle and the fate of the USA.

Remember though that the symbols portrayed in Daniel 8 are not national symbols. This is why the great prophet Daniel couldn’t identify the characters portrayed and the angel had to tell him. The symbols that are portrayed are connected to those characters principal method and manner of conducting war. This should give us a hint. 

We already have been told by the angel that the Ram is Media and Persia (Iran) in the end.

Daniel 8:17, So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

It is unequivocal. This Daniel 8 prophecy is not Alexander and it may not be “Grecia” or Ionia. It may be the great Western Empire of the USA inheritor of the End Time Grecian Empire. Is there a connection between a symbol of a Goat and the means by which the USA conducts war?

What is the principal means of war of the USA in the past 70 years? Air power and Naval power. The USA empire moves its Airforce to any local conflict both by air, “not touching the ground” and by Naval power through Aircraft carriers on the seas, again “not touching the ground”. The great He Goat of Daniel 8 is described by how it attacks…not by another national symbol.

Daniel 8:5, And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

If this is true, can we find any symbol associated with the USA Airforce or Navy?

“One legend about the first association of the goat with Navy football tells of a pet goat who died at sea while aboard a Navy ship. The affection for the goat was such that the officers decided to save the skin of the animal and have it mounted upon arrival in port. Two young officers were entrusted with the skin when the ship docked in Baltimore. On the way to the taxidermist, the ensigns dropped in on their alma mater where a football game was in progress. With them — for lack of a suitable storage place — was the goat skin. While watching the first half of the game, one of the officers came up with an idea for some half-time entertainment. When half-time arrived, he romped up and down the sidelines cloaked with the goat skin barely covering his blue uniform. Such ungoatlike antics brought howls of laughter from the midshipmen, and the Navy victory that day was attributed to the spirit of the late, lamented goat. (https://www.usna.edu/PAO/faq_pages/BilltheGoat.php)

Vice President Joe Biden smiles as Army Cadet Alex Fletcher celebrates being named the Goat of the U.S. Military Academy’s Class of 2016, in West Point, N.Y., May 21, 2016. The Goat is the last-ranking cadet to graduate and usually receives the loudest applause from the class. Biden delivered the speech at the academy’s commencement ceremony. (https://dod.defense.gov/OIR/gallery/igphoto/2001542913/)

I am the first to admit I would have never dreamed of finding such a connection. But it is there. It is in the End Time and it is associated with the means and method of the USA conducting war in such a fashion that they “come from the west”…”on the face of the whole earth”… “ not touching the ground”…“come near”… and “moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him (Daniel 8:1-7).

Clearly Daniel and the Angel are not describing national symbols, but are describing how these two great nations approach war. This opens the door that indeed Iran is attacked in the End Time right before the Day of the Lord by the empire of the West known as post WW2’s USA Empire. 

A global great horn that after this war with Iran (Media & Persia) is broken by one means or another and out of its greatness four less notable horns rise up on the global stage and out of one of those Horn’s arises the Antichrist who then conducts war to the south, east, and the Pleasant Land – Holy Land (Daniel 8:9). Geographically this lesser horn is likely Turkey and is currently a part of the Great Western Empire of the USA and NATO.

Some may want to say Goats have two horns. Remember this is a prophetic vision with meaning. The goat portrayed has a singular power center behind it, unlike the Ram which has two horns or power centers behind it. The number of horns is indicative of the controlling power and authority…which in both cases end up broken. 

No power centers (horns) rise up from the Ram, but four rise up from the great He Goat. Again, this is indicative of a global and massive power very similar to the End Time post WW2 Empire of the USA. So big that its central power can be broken and yet 4 still very influential horns (power centers) can rise up and continue in the End Time. 

This Daniel 8 prophecy is an Alarm clock prophecy indicating a transition to the 4th Beast that would grind up the world. Daniel was so concerned by this 4th Beast it made him sick. He needed to know when this was going to happen. The angel came to show him this transition prophecy that would mark the last event before the appearance of the 4thBeast. 

Church wake up!

Get back to your Bibles and get back to the truth. I’d also suggest you check out my latest book, “Broken: What if the First 4 Seals are Broken Before the Tribulation?” by Ken Mentell. You can buy the book series on Amazon.  

You can also get “Mystery Babylon vs the Restrainer” on Audiobook.